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August 26, 2006


jev forsberg

hey baby! i just got your email, CONGRATS! that's fantastic friend! i am so very happy for you! what a blessing this is, and will be! we haven't gotten much time to chat since you left, but i just wanted to give you a quick update: i'm in China teaching english for a year, with ben tedder (is that how it's spelled?) its awesome! anywho, love ya, and congrats again!

grace and peace.



2 Answers/Thoughts: (1) The Great Commission is a start (see the Great Omission by Willard); you don't want people to own if they have not engaged God personally and are engaging others at that level. (2) Despite the fact that there are many good ones around (I even like a few myself ... Continuous Improvement, et al), using business principles in ministry has ruined/derailed more than it's share of ministries (see (1) above) where people became numbers, Type As took over, etc.

Regards, Doug


The opportunity for comments from the peanut gallery can be a sometimes dangerous thing. Please understand, I'm hoping that this isn't coming across in a negative way.

Regarding the Questions post: The questions that you posted as your second list are ones that I would want to ask too. I feel like the church body needs to do a better job of teaching and training. I think that as I learn through observation, teaching and personal study , my walk will more closely match my talk. I've been discouraged though in the search for people active in growing their faith. Dave Goetz, Author of "Death by Suburbs" speaks in his blog of getting deeper into our faith and says "You know that the gospel is primarily about doing, not yapping. Yappers splash around in the shallow parts[of the pool of religion]."

So my question would be, what will set resonate aside from being another church experience and encourage people to actually live their talk?

Regarding Renting or Owning:
I have to admit that I have some bitterness there. I was in a community that I felt ownership in once upon a time which was effectively taken over by eminent domain, scattering its inhabitants to an already bleak landscape. I don't want to be bitter but its hard when I hear that phrase about renting or owning. Forgive me please.

Being somewhat of a details person, I have to wonder where did that stat about people leaving a church after 12 months if not involved with service come from? I would venture to say that I could walk into most of the churches in our area and take a survey showing probably 50 percent of the attenders who had been there more than a year would not be actively involved in service to their church body. I'm including myself as one of the deliquents at this time. I would agree however, that people who are serving in the church are more likely to stay around


Paul writes something that falls along the same lines to your entry in Philemon 6 "I pray that you may be active in sharing your faith, so that you will have a full understanding of every good thing we have in Christ."

I've seen this in others and know from my own experience that the more I am sharing Christ, serving on behalf of Christ, and living an active faith (essentially "owning" vs. renting) the more I see His goodness. Seeing His goodness keeps me fired up.

Coming back to your question, I believe that first Sunday night you will have many people sitting across from you just dying to serve, wanting to grow, and sincerely eager to take "ownership." Personally speaking, I have the zeal and am looking for that outlet along with likeminded believers.

If Resonate is mainly inward focused some people will grow but there won't be that ownership we all want. If we find ways to reach out and bear fruit along with serving one another as Christ's hands it will be incredible.


Hi, J.R. It was good getting together with you yesterday.

I think you're right about participation drawing people deeper into a sense of ownership in the community. Mainly I think ownership is a positive concept. It can, however, degenerate into a sense of proprietorship -- this is "mine" and you can't touch it, change it, question it, etc. I have seen that attitude strangle people who were developing appropriate ownership in a community -- to no one's benefit -- and that has to be guarded against. Overall, though, I think your metaphor is right on target!

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