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February 05, 2007

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GB

I love this line from Shane Claiborne in his book, The Irrestible Revolution.

"I was just another believer. I believed all the right stuff - that Jesus is the Son of God, died and rose again. I had become a believer but not a follower. People had taught me what Christians believe, but no one had told me how Christians live."

We spend 90% of our time teaching with words, trying to convey what should be believed. How does this match the Franciscan saying, "Preach the gospel always. And when necessary, use words?"

I personally stink at discipleship but want to start teaching people the how along with the what. Just as much I would like someone to disciple and teach me. Our community at Resonate will grow when this takes place.

Rick

I forget who said this, but I recently heard it summed up in a single sentence; "We believe in Jesus, but we don't believe in what he taught".

DougG

JR, Amen, Personally, I have been pondering how church leadership can foster an environment of discipleship. So far I can only think of few: sermons encouraging it and through life example ... Our Cgroup has camped out on 2 Tim 2:1-7 and a couple questions arise: "Who is your Paul?", "Who is your Timothy?", "Am I and Are they reliable?" and "Are we good soldiers, athletes competing according to the rules, and hardworking farmers?

Regards, Doug

PS On well over 10 years, I have only heard discipleship encouraged or used as an example only a couple times.

PPS BTW: Advice to save time: Stay away from anything called "mentoring" unless it has biblical roots ... most of the time it is a ripoff from the business world and given lip-service.

I would love it if the church would offer an ABF specifically on discipleship. I mean, that is what Jesus called his specific 12, his disciples. I think the class should include some role playing in how to be a disciple so we can get out of our comfort zone and be more comfortable being a disciple. We've all heard the verse before Matthew 28:19 - Therefore go and make DISCIPLES of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

steven sutters

Good thoughts. Unfortunetly, discipleship is not emphasized in the American church. Peoples lives are messy and the cost are high to "lay your life down for the brethren". What a radical, spirit lead lifestyle one must lead to become and make disciples of Christ! It is very intimidating.

2 books have been particularly helpful for me in developing a biblically sound understanding of what discipleship could/should look like:

1: Master Plan of Evangelism
By Robert Coleman
2:Organic Disciplemaking
By Dennis McCallum and
Jessica Lowery

The second book is super practical. It is also a good measure to see if you are fulfilling the call of 2 Tim 2:2 and matt 28

Lots of other good teachings and essays on the topic on xenos.org

DougG

More Books:

The Complete Book of Discipleship: http://www.navpress.com/Store/Product/1576838978.html

The Lost Art of Disciplemaking: http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Disciple-Making-LeRoy-Eims/dp/031037281X

Regards, DougG

Jason Rhue

Crash! Bang!!! I hear the jaws of church pastors and leaders dropping to the floor all across the world.

I never was disappointed with your bold and self-examinatory style of teaching at Pierced.

Yet I'm sure the list of hate-mail grows toward each of us that "boldly proclaim the truth."

In medication of those events past and preparation for those to come, I pray this scripture as a blessing for you J.R.

Luke 6:22
Blessed are you when men hate you,
when they exclude you and insult you
and reject your name as evil,
because of the Son of Man.

Kjersten

Thanks for your thoughts on discipleship and the Church...sounds like Willard's book needs to be on my list to read! I don't think I've told you guys yet, but I'm headed back to Israel and Turkey with RVL again this spring (with God NOTHING is impossible!) and am anticipating my grasp of discipleship to be challenged and awakened! Know you guys are missed and that I'm praying for you and the fam :)

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